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Which Host Metropolis Has the BEST Housing Market?


It’s February, and what meaning…Groundhog Day! Simply kidding, it’s nearly Tremendous Bowl Sunday, so we’re tackling a few of the high Tremendous Bowl housing markets to see which of them make for a landing funding market and which don’t make the staff. For those who’ve ever wished to personal a rental property inside driving distance of the largest soccer recreation of the yr, now’s your likelihood as we overview 4 Tremendous Bowl host cities and provides our takes on their investing fundamentals.

Dave and the panel will have a look at Tampa, Florida; Los Angeles, California; New Orleans, Louisiana; and Miami, Florida. One in all these markets is an all-panel hit, whereas others boast distributing metrics that any funding property proprietor ought to look out for. We’ll overview every market, sharing their metrics, finest methods, and whether or not our knowledgeable panel would spend money on them.

Plus, if you wish to hear who WE’RE rooting for in Tremendous Bowl LVIII, stick round, however please DON’T guess on it…we’re investing consultants, NOT soccer consultants.

Dave:
Hey everybody. Welcome to On The Market. I’m your host, Dave Meyer. Immediately we’re going to be speaking concerning the large information everybody’s fascinated about, which is after all, the Tremendous Bowl. I don’t know, is everybody fascinated about it? Do you guys take into consideration this? Properly, Kathy, you clearly do since you’re carrying some form of soccer uniform at this time. What jersey is that this?

Kathy:
That is really the Cardinals, and it’s Devon Kennard, who’s popping out with a BiggerPockets e book very quickly.

Dave:
That makes a number of sense.

Kathy:
And his first interview on actual property was on my present, The Actual Wealth Present, so I acquired this.

Dave:
Superior.

Kathy:
I don’t suppose he gave you one Dave when he was on this present although.

Dave:
I don’t have one and I’m glad although as a result of I’d not look as cool as you do in your Devon Kennard skilled jersey proper now. For those who guys don’t know Devon, he’s an superior actual property investor, former NFL participant. He’s been on this present. He’s written a e book for BiggerPockets and apparently, good friend of Kathy.

Henry:
I don’t observe soccer an excessive amount of. I like soccer, I perceive it, however I’ve beef with grown males in children’ uniforms. It’s simply bizarre to me. I’ve by no means been a jersey man. Simply me strolling round with some younger child’s final title on my again simply at all times appeared like a bizarre factor. I simply can’t get with the jerseys. It’s bizarre for me. I don’t know.

Dave:
Is that every one sports activities or simply soccer?

Henry:
All sports activities. All sports activities. It’s like I’d get a jersey that you simply customise and put your personal title on the again, however I don’t know.

Dave:
You’re simply rooting for your self. You simply wish to root for Henry.

Henry:
After which it’s similar to everyone’s operating round speaking about, “We acquired a recreation. Who can we play tonight?” Sir, you don’t have a recreation.

Kathy:
When’s the final time you ran across the block?

Henry:
You’re not on the staff. They don’t even know you exist. You bought to select your children up from daycare and you bought a chiropractor’s appointment. You don’t have a recreation.

Dave:
James, you bought to leap in right here as a result of I do know you disagree.

James:
Oh, I’ve invested some severe cash into my jersey recreation. The Tremendous Bowl is my favourite vacation, so it’s the primary vacation. Be certain my calendar’s blocked out and I can be at all times watching, however sadly the Seahawks aren’t in there, however I’m closely invested in Seahawk swag.

Dave:
Properly, that’s good for you, James, as a result of at this time we’re going to be speaking about completely different markets which have hosted the Tremendous Bowl. So we aren’t going to dive into the groups which can be within the recreation. This present must be popping out I believe two or three days earlier than the Tremendous Bowl. We’ve got 49ers and the Chiefs matching up. However at this time we’re going to speak about a few markets which have hosted them not too long ago and we’re going to guage every considered one of them about how good they’re for funding or what specific methods would possibly work in a kind of markets.
So every of us goes to take one of many final 4 hosts of the Tremendous Bowl and we’re going to interrupt them down. So James, hopefully that is an acceptable celebration for you. Henry, you could possibly simply sit there mad for the entire time, however you do must take part as a result of we acquired a recreation at this time Henry, you do must play it. And earlier than we do it, we even have Tremendous Bowl trivia to speak about to see how effectively you do. And Henry, I’m going to make you go first.
Do you guys know what yr the primary Tremendous Bowl was, Henry?

Henry:
1941.

Dave:
Kathy?

Kathy:
I believe we should always toss this to James. I believe he’s going to know the reply, however it’s been some a long time.

Dave:
That’s true. Very imprecise however true. James?

James:
I don’t know the precise yr, however I do know it was someplace within the ’60s as a result of there was two leagues they usually merged them again when there was two leagues. I believe Henry was shut when there was two, however when the NFL got here collectively, I believe ’60s, someplace in there.

Dave:
All proper, James, you’re right. It was 1967, so it was Chiefs versus Packers in 1967.

Kathy:
Guys.

Dave:
That was the primary Tremendous Bowl.

Kathy:
I’m older than the Tremendous Bowl.

Dave:
Properly, you’ve been round for some a long time additionally, Kathy.

Kathy:
Thanks. Sure.

Dave:
That’s how outdated you might be, some a long time. May very well be 20.

Kathy:
Thanks.

Dave:
All proper, I’ll ask you another trivia query and spare you. Possibly I’ll simply ask James, see if he is aware of. Which two beginning quarterbacks received the Tremendous Bowl with two completely different groups?

Henry:
Are they at the moment taking part in?

James:
No, they’re not. That is straightforward although as a result of it’s pretty current.

Henry:
Okay. Okay. Okay.

Kathy:
That is straightforward. This appears straightforward. Yep. I even know this one.

Dave:
Okay.

James:
Two of the best. You bought Tom Brady-

Dave:
And?

James:
-And Peyton Manning, as a result of Peyton Manning received it with the Colts and the Broncos.

Dave:
Bravo. Properly completed James. That was a very good one.

James:
Can we get Tom Brady on the On The Market podcast? I’d like to interview Tom Brady.

Dave:
I don’t suppose now we have that type of pull, man. Kaylin simply slacked us and mentioned that she’s going to work on it.

Kathy:
Oh, he’s in all probability listening proper now. Yeah.

Dave:
Yeah, he positively listens. So we’ll get him on right here any day now.

James:
There’s two man crushes I’ve, Tom Brady and Mark Wahlberg. These are the 2. Mark Wahlberg, if we might get him on too, that may be an amazing present.

Dave:
Mark Walberg? Okay. Who knew? All proper, effectively we should always in all probability transfer on from soccer, though I’m excited concerning the Tremendous Bowl. And what’s cool concerning the Tremendous Bowl is we’re all going to be collectively for the Tremendous Bowl this yr. We’re going to be collectively in Denver at a Tremendous Bowl social gathering, which can be very enjoyable. And if any of you by the way in which are within the Denver space the day after, so the twelfth, we’re internet hosting a BiggerPockets meetup in Denver. So if you happen to’re within the Colorado space, James, Henry, Kathy, myself and the opposite podcast hosts will all be there. So go verify that out.
However we’ve talked sufficient about soccer, let’s get into actual property after this break.
All proper, Kathy, you’re the finest dressed for this occasion at this time by far.

Kathy:
Thanks a lot.

Dave:
For these of you who aren’t watching on YouTube, it’s like full shoulder pads. It’s a actually good outfit proper now.

Henry:
Yeah, it’s a official recreation jersey. It’s not one you go and purchase from the shop.

Dave:
It’s like knowledgeable recreation jersey and-

Kathy:
It reveals my weapons. Take a look at that.

Dave:
It does. It does present your weapons. And since you’re doing so nice at this time, we’re going to have you ever go first. Inform us concerning the market you’ve been researching as a current host of the Tremendous Bowl.

Kathy:
Properly, this metropolis had the Tremendous Bowl 5 occasions. The inhabitants is 3.2 million and the inhabitants progress is 1.9%. Unemployment is at a really low 3.1%. Median earnings is $60,000 roughly, and the median hire is about $2,000. Hire progress has been 2.7%, which appears low, however perhaps excessive contemplating this previous yr. And the median dwelling costs, $372,000 with worth progress at a whopping 1%. Who is aware of what metropolis that is?

Dave:
I do as a result of studying it.

Kathy:
In your notes.

Dave:
Yeah, I’m studying it. Yeah, I might see it. It’s Tampa, Florida. I’ll allow you to out.

Kathy:
Thanks.

Dave:
Tom. Brady’s most up-to-date Tremendous Bowl successful staff.

Kathy:
Yeah, so Tampa, Florida, would I make investments there? Not solely would I. I do, however not particularly within the metropolis. And I believe that is one thing that individuals ought to actually take note of is that they’ll see these large metropolis names as an amazing place to take a position, however oftentimes it’s not really within the metropolis, it’s within the surrounding suburbs the place it simply gotten too costly within the metropolis and folks transfer out and jobs transfer out as a result of they’ll get cheaper land and so forth. So we do make investments, however not in Tampa, excellent outdoors, primarily St. Petersburg, however in and round Tampa.

Dave:
Kathy, really inform us just a little bit about that as a result of a number of what we discuss right here on the present is form of on the metro degree, like the entire metropolitan space, however you’re speaking about differentiating it. So whenever you first began investing in that space, how did you determine that St. Pete was a greater choice for investing than the downtown space of Tampa?

Kathy:
Properly, after I first, first began investing in Tampa, it was in 2009 when the housing market had utterly crashed and I used to be in a distinct metropolis just about day by day simply making an attempt to select up the items of that mess. There have been entire neighborhoods boarded up, Tampa, most of Florida in truth, was one of many areas that acquired hit the toughest as a result of it was one of many areas the place traders went just a little nutty and it was pre-demographic progress there. So that they had the proper thought, they have been simply too early principally into Florida. In order that space went up the very best after which got here crashing down the toughest.
So after I went to Tampa, we have been discovering properties for 20 to $30,000 if you happen to can imagine that downtown. However the concern was crime. So in a number of these areas the place if in case you have a number of boarded properties, you’d have vagrants, you’d have drug sellers, it utterly reworked what had been a center class neighborhood right into a D class neighborhood. So for me, Tampa was, it was simply too scary to take a position there in these neighborhoods. So we simply wanted to look out. A part of what I do is discovering property managers and groups, individuals who will help me on the time discover these foreclosures, assist me, I dwell in California, I didn’t wish to oversee it myself, so discover groups. And a kind of groups was exhibiting the expansion that was taking place in St. Petersburg.
The suburban areas are inclined to have much less crime typically, not at all times, however it was actually simply the property supervisor and native staff that I discovered there that gave me the perception on the place they’re investing. And once more, that’s how I do it Once you’re investigating a metropolis, I believe going, strolling it, speaking to individuals, going to the Starbucks, studying the place do individuals wish to dwell, however most significantly actually attending to know the property managers and the place they make investments as a result of they know all of the secrets and techniques. They know the place who’s calling and who’s eager to hire.

Dave:
I imply that’s an amazing state of affairs. I’m certain people who find themselves listening to this now wish to spend money on Tampa are just a little bit jealous. Are there nonetheless good choices to spend money on both Tampa or St. Pete or in that metro space?

James:
I believe Tampa is on the upswing for quite a few causes. A, I nonetheless imagine there’s a number of relocation popping out of California, popping out of New York, and Tampa is a extremely popular place for individuals to maneuver to. The seashores are superior, the standard of dwelling’s good, they usually’re additionally bettering town. They introduced really in 2023 that the violent crime fee really went down. And they also’re actually working and I do know the entire state of Florida is engaged on getting the crime down, particularly the violent crime, however they’re making progress with their insurance policies. And that’s additionally why it was ranked quantity eight is among the finest locations to dwell in America as high quality of dwelling.
And so I believe with these strides after which nonetheless that the attractiveness of Florida from a number of a few of these states with very excessive earnings tax, I believe there’s nonetheless a number of runway there. I personally would transfer to Tampa if it wasn’t such an extended commute flight to Seattle. And so I nonetheless suppose there’s going to be a migration in. Decrease taxes, crime lowering versus if you happen to have a look at some elements of California it’s rising, and so high quality of dwelling’s going. It’s simply coming round. It’s enticing. I’d transfer there for certain.

Dave:
So what would you advocate Kathy to people who find themselves on this space? What sort of ways work proper now?

Kathy:
I believe in Tampa metropolis, within the metropolis space, I think about there’s nonetheless plenty of alternative to renovate. For those who’ve acquired the abilities of James Daynard or Henry Washington and you’ve got groups arrange there and may discover older properties, repair them up. It’s a rising metropolis for certain. And James wasn’t kidding, these seashores are attractive, however costs have been excessive. I imply costs have gone up quite a bit since 2009, so it’ll be just a little bit costlier versus once more, the suburbs.

Dave:
Tampa, I completely agree. I really keep in mind, I believe it was our second present ever, all of us picked markets that we actually appreciated and I believe Tampa was the one I picked. There’s quite a bit to love there on the basics degree, however you must regulate ways and form of just be sure you’re utilizing the proper ones for an costly kind of market. With that, after we’ve talked about Tampa, let’s transfer on to our second metropolis. And for that, let’s go to James.

James:
All proper, the market I’m overlaying is Los Angeles, one of many greatest cities in our nation. It has hosted the Tremendous Bowl eight occasions. Their new stadium, SoFi Stadium, is completely wonderful. I’ve been there a couple of completely different occasions. I do know that they did what Los Angeles likes to do and overspend and overbuild. I believe they spent what, $4 billion constructing the stadium, which was 4 occasions what they spent in Atlanta. However in any case, inhabitants is 12,872,000, and the priority is the inhabitants progress has dropped by 0.77% this yr. Individuals are beginning to go away California. Costly life, just a little bit extra crime, they usually’re trying elsewhere to make their greenback stretch. Unemployment is at 4.9% and the median dwelling worth, and like Kathy talked about, it relies upon if you happen to’re in metropolis or out of metropolis as a result of if you happen to’re in LA correct, it’s going to be considerably extra. After which the median hire is at $2,858, with hire progress of two%.
And now usually, and I’ve seen too with LA, it will get regular, hire progress, due to the regulation to the place you’ll be able to solely enhance it at a sure factors. So there’s very regular, however it’s by no means actually leaping that prime. LA is simply a kind of large cities that you could make some huge cash in, spend money on, particularly I believe if you happen to’re a developer or flipper, it’s type of the perfect avenues to have a look at doing there as a result of there’s nonetheless some huge cash pouring in, stock’s nonetheless low. And even with I believe a few of the points that LA’s having proper now, persons are nonetheless drawn to it. It’s nonetheless that, “Hey, we wish to transfer to LA,” that LA dream. And I believe it’s good for the quick time period.
Personally, I’d by no means make investments there long run. There may be approach an excessive amount of hire management happening. There’s a ton of regulation. And if I used to be taking a look at any So Cal market, I’d really decide Orange County over LA as a result of we’re seeing some large progress in Orange County as a result of the crime that’s happening in LA, persons are reloading out, they don’t wish to transfer off that coast of California as a result of they’ll’t discover a higher spot, however they’ll locations which can be just a little bit extra steady. I do know in Newport Seaside, we’re seeing costs simply climb yr over yr and it’s all that LA cash promoting and bringing the money down south.

Dave:
So lengthy story quick James, and thanks for sharing all that data, that’s actually useful, would you make investments there?

James:
I’d not make investments there. For me, I wish to spend money on climates that welcome improvement and progress. And there are such a lot of rules simply pumping via California on the common. Along with the largest concern is what is going on within the again finish is inflicting large issues. You may’t even get dwelling insurance coverage. It’s close to inconceivable to get dwelling insurance coverage in California. That could be a primary want of traders and owners. And when you’ve gotten a primary want that’s being taken off the desk, that may trigger points out there typically. It’s loopy what you must do to get simply even that easiest factor, dwelling insurance coverage. If you wish to purchase a property, there’s a lot regulation between what you are able to do. So if I used to be compelled to take a position there, I’d flip and do improvement. I wish to be out and in. I don’t need their arms on me for longer than 12 months and get out. However I’d positively decide elsewhere.
And likewise tying into the soccer, I’ve a basic drawback investing in LA, the LA Rams, or investing in San Francisco, San Francisco 49ers. I simply received’t help them.

Kathy:
Hey now.

Henry:
See, that is the issue with sports activities fanatics is you’ll make monetary selections about your cash and wealth based mostly on completely nothing that has to do with funds. The fanaticism is insane to me.

Dave:
I grew up in New York and I’m an enormous Yankees fan and I for work for some time needed to transfer to Boston. And it wasn’t simply monetary selections, I used to be only a depressing individual for six months. I simply hated each single factor I noticed or did for six months. It actually does impression your entire life, Henry. You simply begin committing your self to this.

Kathy:
And James, these have been preventing phrases concerning the 49ers. I’m third era San Franciscan. Not anymore. I did transfer to LA County, however I imply what a narrative although. Come on you guys. You need to admit that the 49er Brock Purdy story is wonderful. He was third string, he was thought of Mr. Irrelevant. Let Brock Purdy utterly encourage you to by no means surrender, by no means surrender.

James:
Very related, love the man’s story, however I hope he will get smashed by the Chiefs within the Tremendous Bowl. There’s a number of gamers I like individually on the 49ers, however as a complete they get crushed and I’m comfortable.

Dave:
Properly, I don’t suppose anybody right here is standing up for LA as an investing market. There’s quite a bit, like James mentioned. Personally, I’ve by no means spent a number of time in LA however it does seem to be the stats don’t appear overly encouraging.
All proper, we’re going to take a fast break. Simply to remind everybody, we talked about Tampa, which everybody did appear to suppose had sturdy fundamentals. Talked about LA subsequent, which in all probability overpriced. James talked about rules that in all probability weren’t good for investing. And after this, I’ll share the market that I’m going to be sharing, and so will Henry.
Welcome again everybody. Now for our third market, I’ll be sharing, so comfortable I get this metropolis, it’s considered one of my favourite cities within the nation, the world. I like visiting this metropolis a lot. It has perhaps the perfect sandwich I’ve ever had in my entire life, and that’s not an exaggeration. It’s New Orleans, Louisiana, and I do know I don’t know methods to say it accurately. I’m from the Northeast, I’m proud, I’m sorry. However New Orleans, Louisiana has hosted the Tremendous Bowl a whopping 10 occasions. It has a big inhabitants however it’s declining. So that’s one thing that I personally consider as a crimson flag after I make investments anyplace is a inhabitants that’s declining. It’s not essentially one thing that you could’t spend money on, however it’s one thing that I fear about. Would any of you make investments someplace the place the inhabitants is declining?

Kathy:
I’ve. I wouldn’t do it once more. What about you Henry?

Henry:
It depends upon how lengthy. If it’s a decline, I’m seeing a decline over 5 years historical past, then in all probability not. But when it’s a blip on the radar, then I in all probability wouldn’t have an issue with it.

Dave:
That’s a very good level, Henry, as a result of I’m wondering how a lot of it’s COVID and migration patterns modified a lot, and a few of them are proving and looking out like they’re everlasting, or not less than not everlasting, however the developments are enduring previous simply the pandemic. However a few of them are beginning to reverse. So I do suppose you in all probability do wish to observe Henry’s recommendation and look just a little bit broader there.
However the one factor that does are inclined to occur with decrease inhabitants, decrease progress cities is oftentimes you discover that there’s higher cashflow potential. And that stood out to me after I checked out a few of the stats right here about New Orleans is that the hire to cost ratio is about 0.7. That’s greater than double what it was in LA and considerably larger than it was in Tampa. And so it does enable for attention-grabbing cashflow alternatives, however alternatively it’s experiencing one of many greatest corrections in the complete nation with costs dropping over 8% final yr. So to me, it is a little bit dangerous, particularly it’s a market I’ve visited and revel in visiting however don’t know a lot concerning the fundamentals. I’d in all probability avoid this till we noticed some form of bottoming of the market as a result of an 8% drop, that’s vital. That’s not a one-year correction. That’s one thing that might actually harm if you happen to have been on the incorrect finish of that decline. Any of you’ve gotten any ideas on New Orleans?

Henry:
Properly, I believe New Orleans as a metropolis is wonderful. It’s in all probability my second favourite metropolis within the nation. I believe what I wish to say about all of those markets is sure, we’re giving our opinion on whether or not we might make investments there or not, however there are funding methods that may work in all of those markets. When it comes to New Orleans, I believe you’re 100% proper. For those who’re searching for a market the place you will get money stream, perhaps you reside there, it’s in your yard, you’ve acquired some form of benefit and understanding the neighborhoods and having boots on the bottom and a staff you’ll be able to construct, it’s an honest marketplace for cashflow. New Orleans isn’t going away tomorrow as a result of it’s had inhabitants decline, proper? It’s round. It’s going to be round. And if you happen to perceive the market and also you perceive methods to discover offers, I believe you can also make nice money stream.
Are you getting appreciation proper now? No. It’s acquired damaging worth progress, however I don’t know that that’s going to final without end because the rates of interest come down. However whenever you have a look at one thing like Tampa, what we talked about earlier, you’ll be able to nearly get the perfect of each worlds in Tampa due to the expansion that that market is seeing and since you’ve gotten constructive inhabitants progress and you’ve got inexpensive dwelling pricing, proper? You’re at 372 there for median dwelling worth, which suggests you’ll be able to in all probability go in there, discover an off market deal and get it to money stream as a result of the median rents are $2,000. Now could be going to money stream a ton? No, in all probability not. So you’ll be able to in all probability get money stream and appreciation in Tampa if you happen to look onerous sufficient, the place Los Angeles, you’ll be able to’t maintain something there, proper? You’re not going to get money stream, however the margins on flips are wonderful.
You may flip one home in California and make what it might take me like 5 flips to make due to the margins are so massive as a result of the house costs are a lot extra there. However you’ve acquired a list drawback, you’ve acquired 12 to 13 million individuals, you’re going to have the ability to promote these properties so you will get nice margins if you happen to’re turning cash. So there’s methods that work all over the place. For those who’re going to show cash, like I mentioned, you are able to do a flip. I get jealous each time I see Tareq flip a home on the market and make like $250,000 and I’m like that’s six flips for me. So there’s a technique that works in all of those.
When it comes to New Orleans, yeah, I believe you bought to go for money stream and I believe you must perceive the market as a result of one other factor that’s going to play in New Orleans is crime, and so you bought to know the place am I shopping for these properties? What’s the crime going to be like? And issue that into your technique, your buy worth. And I’m not saying you shouldn’t spend money on an space the place there’s crime. I’m saying A, you bought to be constructed for that, and B, you bought to plan it into your numbers. It’s like Walmart. You suppose Walmart doesn’t plan for stuff to get stolen from shops? They plan it into their numbers after they’re constructing out shops and determining the place they’re going to go. So that you simply have to know these markets.

Kathy:
Henry, I’m simply curious since you mentioned you’d must do 5 or 6 flips to make that very same type of cash. Do you suppose it takes the identical type of time and cash and also you’re simply doing one large flip 5 alternative ways and perhaps that’s higher diversification?

Henry:
I’d say the timeframe isn’t any completely different actually. An enormous renovation is an enormous renovation. It takes the identical period of time if you happen to’ve acquired your groups and your contractors in place. I believe the distinction is the danger concerned whenever you’re flipping in LA due to the holding prices. So if I’m doing two flips in LA and I paid $600,000 for every a kind of homes and I’ve a 12% curiosity solely mortgage from James Daynard as a result of he prices me a complete lot of cash to do this, then I’m going to must get them issues turned quick or else I’m paying James a number of my income.

Dave:
Then James is making the cash, not you.

James:
However it could be bills Henry, however consider your total money on money return. It’s infinite.

Henry:
I preserve coming again to you, so it have to be good.

James:
And we’re reliable. I wish to contact on New Orleans actual fast as a result of it’s an superior metropolis. I like it. It’s meals, the tradition, the individuals. A tremendous, wonderful metropolis. I believe it has simply infrastructure issues. I believe like what Henry mentioned is basically essential. You may spend money on any market, whether or not it’s LA, New Orleans, you simply wish to regulate your technique. The benefit of New Orleans on flipping is you will get actual excessive money on money returns. Entry degree worth is small. You may get building loans. They’re normally cheaper, larger fixture properties. And so you’ll be able to lever extra whenever you get building loans in order that the quantity you’re placing down on a less expensive property on the large rehab, your money on money return goes to hit like 50, 60%. And it won’t be the identical quantity of revenue, however the velocity in your cash is at all times going to maintain shifting and rising. And so it’s good for that.
My concern with New Orleans is that they have police power issues. It’s just a little little bit of a lawless metropolis whenever you go there. Once more, I like town, however they acquired some infrastructure issues and for me, I’m already an energetic investor in a market that has crime issues. I don’t wish to go into one other one. It does trigger points, trigger infrastructure, and decide and select. I’d moderately steadiness right into a safer market at that time.

Dave:
Is smart. All proper, effectively thanks all for sharing your enter. I’m going to share one final piece of recommendation. For those who’re in New Orleans, go to a restaurant known as Cochon Butcher and get the sandwich known as Le Pig Mac. It’s like a excessive finish pig mac with actually good pork patties. It’s actually among the best sandwiches I’ve ever had in my entire coronary heart. Go verify that out. That is extra essential to me than actual property. Henry, let’s spherical it out with our final market. What do you’ve gotten for us?

Henry:
All proper, final market of the present is Miami. Miami, Florida hosted the Tremendous Bowl 11 occasions. So what about Miami? What I like about Miami right here is common dwelling worth $473,000, however they’ve seen a 5.9% enhance in pricing over the previous yr. So we’re going up in Miami by way of values. The sale to checklist worth ratio in Miami is 97.3%, which suggests issues are getting listed and promoting for just a bit beneath what they’re getting listed for, which suggests persons are shopping for the properties there, they’re in demand. And that’s as a result of Miami has a really quickly rising worldwide base that’s shifting there. You’ve acquired plenty of individuals shifting there from different nations. You’ve acquired lots of people shifting there, particularly from Canada proper now. And so that you’ve acquired people who find themselves at all times migrating into and touchdown in Miami they usually’re shopping for properties. I believe I learn right here that the demand for properties round that $1 million worth level is fairly excessive, so individuals with some huge cash have a tendency to maneuver right here they usually’re wanting to purchase these nicer properties.
So by way of median hire, you’ve acquired median grant and about $2,700, so just below $3,000 a month for median hire. You bought median earnings at $77,000 and your median dwelling worth is round $472,000. So Miami, I believe it has some respectable fundamentals. You’ve acquired $472,000 for the common dwelling worth, you bought about $2,700 for the median hire. So to me that tells me if I can discover a respectable sufficient deal, I can in all probability money stream a property, perhaps break much more more likely to break even than cashflow. So not a brilliant nice money stream market, however you’ve acquired demand there. And I believe what you actually have here’s a market the place short-term leases and midterm leases would in all probability do effectively so long as the foundations would enable for you to have the ability to do this within the completely different areas round Miami as a result of it’s such a vacationer vacation spot. You’ve acquired individuals at all times touring there to go and have a very good time.
And so I believe we’ve type of seen markets the place every one of many well-liked actual property methods would work. I believe it is a short-term rental market the place you’ll be able to in all probability get one thing to fairly effectively as a short-term and midterm rental. It’s a flip market. You may make good income flipping offers right here since you’ve acquired individuals who need these million greenback properties. And so you could possibly go purchase a distressed property for 4 or 5, 600,000, put a pair hundred into it and promote it for over 1,000,000 since you acquired demand there. And if you’d like money stream, you’re in all probability going to must work actually, actually onerous to discover a whole lot.

Kathy:
Right here’s what confused me about Miami. I like Miami. I like to go to. I like Miami Seaside and trip my bike there alongside the seashore at any time when I get to go there for conferences. So nice metropolis. What’s complicated to me is that I believe President Biden mentioned that the largest disaster now we have at this time is local weather change, which is there’s a number of crises, however you hear this and that but firms are flocking to Miami. I’d suppose that Miami can be primary in local weather change disaster doubtlessly, however that metropolis has grown like loopy. So apparently individuals aren’t being attentive to that or they don’t agree with Biden in that. However that issues me as a result of it looks as if Miami can be proper in direct line of hurricanes after which they’ve been saying for years that metropolis’s sinking into the ocean. So I don’t know, perhaps it’s not as unhealthy as they are saying, however that to me is the largest concern and that in all probability displays within the insurance coverage.

James:
And Miami’s insurance coverage has elevated dramatically and that’s what makes it onerous to be a purchase and maintain investor there. It’s 31% larger than the nationwide common and is climbing yearly, and it’s additionally one other robust state to get insurance coverage in. And so the money stream is just a little bit tight in that market. After which whenever you begin stacking on these insurance coverage prices and the property taxes which can be rising as a result of the market is shifting up, it does make it onerous to be a purchase and maintain investor. I do like the basics of high quality dwelling, the decrease taxes, the attractiveness of the investor, however these prices are an actual concern for traders.

Henry:
I simply did a fast search and what I’m seeing right here is the common value for a coverage with a $300,000 dwelling protection is roughly $3,500 per yr, which is 56% larger than the Florida common and 104% larger than the nationwide common. That’s loopy.

Dave:
104% larger.

Henry:
That’s insane.

Dave:
Okay. I’ve heard from a few actual property traders who I do know who’re making an attempt to get out of Florida purchase and maintain simply because the prices simply aren’t well worth the taxes and the bills. It’s actually attention-grabbing as a result of individuals are inclined to wish to go to Florida as a result of there’s no state earnings tax, however states want to lift cash one way or the other. And they also usually do this via property taxes and that, particularly if you happen to’re an out-of-state investor, disproportionately impacts you negatively, proper? Since you don’t get the good thing about no earnings tax as a lot as you’ll if you happen to dwell there, however you must pay larger property taxes. Occurs in Texas too. So it’s simply one thing that you must take into consideration if you happen to’re going to contemplate investing in considered one of these markets.

Kathy:
Dave, I’m so glad you introduced that up as a result of individuals do give California a tough time. And one factor that we really do have in our favor is basically low property taxes they usually keep there. They solely go up very small quantities yearly. So I do have two short-term leases within the Los Angeles County space they usually’ve carried out very well. However there are rules that individuals want to pay attention to in terms of short-term leases and be sure you observe them. However property, I imply our property taxes are 0.07% in Los Angeles County. That’s actually low.

Henry:
That’s tremendous low.

Dave:
Yeah. The nationwide common for property tax is about 1% only for report, so 0.7 in California can be beneath. Simply as a benchmark, in Texas it’s 2%. So it’s double that. And which may not sound like quite a bit, however it might probably actually add up.

Henry:
Oh boy.

Kathy:
And a few areas are 3% or 4%, however our insurance coverage in California positively trumps everybody, even Florida. It’s worse right here in California.

Dave:
All proper, earlier than we get out of right here, I must know your picks. James, because you’re the one certified individual right here, who do you suppose?

James:
You bought to go Chiefs. I essentially can not root for the Niners.

Kathy:
Hey, hey, hey now.

James:
Go Mahomes.

Dave:
All proper. Kathy’s a homer, so we already know this one.

Kathy:
Pay attention, Brock Purdy, he’s the age of my daughter. How are you going to not love him? You simply acquired to like him. He’s acquired to … Come on.

Dave:
I’m probably not following that logic.

Henry:
Yeah, I don’t know if I’m following both logic.

Kathy:
I imply, okay, so Taylor Swift, I do wish to see Taylor Swift within the viewers too. So what? All good. Each groups, they need to each win both approach. Let’s make it a tie.

Dave:
One in all my buddies is an enormous Chiefs fan, so I’ll simply say Chiefs. What about you, Henry?

Henry:
Properly, not like these two individuals, I’m really going to make a prediction based mostly on the soccer talent that’s concerned in taking part in this recreation. James received’t decide the 49ers as a result of he can’t, emotionally can’t, and Kathy thinks Brock Purdy is fairly. So I simply suppose Kansas Metropolis is the higher staff. I believe Patrick Mahomes is taking part in phenomenally.

Dave:
So good.

Henry:
He’s among the best quarterbacks we’ve seen play the sport of soccer in a very long time. Sure, you have a look at a few of the greats and I believe when it’s all mentioned and completed, he’ll be up there with a few of the greats. It’s simply unbelievable to observe what he can do with a soccer. And I believe that as a result of he’s relationship Taylor Swift, his soccer talent has been downplayed. So Travis-

Dave:
He’s not relationship Taylor Swift. Travis Kelce is relationship Taylor Swift.

Henry:
No, I’m speaking about … No, that’s the place I used to be going. I transitioned. As a result of he’s relationship Taylor Swift, his soccer abilities have been downplayed, however Travis Kelce is unbelievable and has been taking part in phenomenal. I imply look, I grew up a Raiders fan, so I shouldn’t even be allowed to say this, however Kansas Metropolis goes to win and it’s fairly cool watching how effectively they’ve been taking part in.

Dave:
All proper, nice. Properly, thanks to your predictions, your insights, your actual property dialogue, and all of the nonsense that went on within the present. It was a number of enjoyable. Thanks all a lot for listening and we recognize it. I hope you all get pleasure from your Tremendous Bowl festivities if you happen to’re watching. I do know not everybody even likes watching it. To be trustworthy, this can be my first time watching it in like three or 4 years, however I’m excited to do it with all of you. Once more, if anybody’s within the Denver space on the twelfth, we’re having a meetup, ensure to simply Google that. You will discover that on BiggerPockets. Thanks for listening and we’ll see you for the following episode of On The Market.
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